Subject	The other problem is that the debuggers suck
Posted by	Technomancer on April 05, 2006 at 11:15 AM
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In Reply To	Re: In fact the national lab still uses Fortran for many thi posted by Kenny on April 04, 2006 at 03:24 PM
Message	Near as I can tell, they still do (in Linux). If you have a simple array of numbers, the debugger can show it to you, but if you have a vector of numbers, sorry buddy. The free debuggers won't let you look inside objects either. The debugger that does costs $10,000. No kidding, and that's for a year. Back to print statements! What makes C++ so hard is having to dive into 3 nested classes just to see WTF is going on. In fortran it was much easier. Dividing stuff by functionality removed that whole "wall of code" effect, which nobody ever made, except for the main analysis program...and that let you see WTF was going on. Yeah, we all went to the C++ class they taught, but it wasn't enough. I do everything in C++ now, and I like it just fine, but it's also tedious as often as it's elegant, and I don't have coworkers sharing code with me. So my bad habits don't collide with other people's incompatible bad habits so far. I guess I like talking about programmming too, at least insofar as it gets in the way of actual results. - John
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